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Vaclav Smil

I do research in the fields of energy, environmental/population change, food production/nutrition, technical innovation, risk assessment, and public policy.

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Dwarkesh Podcast

Dive into the cutting-edge worlds of technology and science with Dwarkesh Patel's meticulously researched interviews that bring together brilliant minds to unpack revolutionary ideas in AI, biotech, and beyond. Each episode delivers profound, thought-provoking conversations that challenge conventional wisdom and illuminate the paths shaping humanity's future.

Vaclav Smil has written 51 books, is Bill Gates's favorite living author, and famously refuses almost every interview request. He doesn't do podcasts. He doesn't do press tours. He lets the books speak for themselves. That's exactly why this page exists — to collectively show Smil that thousands of people want him to make an exception for Dwarkesh Patel, the 26-year-old interviewer who has become the most respected long-form voice in tech by out-preparing hosts three times his age.

This isn't a casual booking request. It's a case that needs to be made — and the case is strong:

  • Dwarkesh has publicly asked his audience for guest suggestions multiple times. Smil is the white whale.
  • Dwarkesh's best episodes — Dario Amodei, Terence Tao, Tyler Cowen, Gwern — work because he matches his guests' depth. Smil would be the ultimate test of that.
  • Smil has two books in the last 12 months: How to Feed the World (March 2025, endorsed by Bill Gates) and Speed (Nov 2025, US paperback June 2, 2026)
  • In a rare July 2025 interview with RealClearScience, Smil at 81 was as sharp and contrarian as ever — dismissing the fertility "crisis," challenging nuclear optimists, and refusing to name a "right" population for Earth

Here's the tension that makes this conversation essential: Dwarkesh's audience worships exponential curves, AI scaling laws, and techno-optimism. Smil has spent fifty years arguing that the physical world doesn't care about your growth projections — that civilization runs on steel, cement, ammonia, and fossil carbon, not software.

Nobody else can force that reckoning with the same data, the same authority, and the same magnificent stubbornness. Every vote on this page is a signal to Smil that this audience is worth his time. Make it count.

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    “Smil is one of the most important scholars on energy, and this will work solidly with Dwarkesh!”

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    Dwarkesh Patel
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    Looking for an energy expert to interview on my podcast. I want to get in the weeds on what will happen the wild AI worlds. As AI actually becomes capable of substituting for human labor, your country's GDP will be denominated by your AI population size, which is downstream of

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    David Valerio
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    Vaclav Smil if you can bag him. A clear-eyed researcher who digs deep into human use of energy and materials. He very rarely accepts podcast interview invitations though

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    Yuxi on the Wired
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    You should interview Vaclav Smil first for understanding energy in general, then interview someone more specialized in energy and AI.

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    @VaclavSmil i think. He wrote a lot of books about energy and civilization

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    Greg Olsen
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    Interview Vaclav Smil!

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    Mohamed AbdelKader
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    I would love to hear Vaclav Smil’s take

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    Chris Gillett
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    You're reading Energy and Civilization in your profile pic right? Vaclav Smil for historical context. Need a panel @ShanuMathew93 for commercial @JigarShahDC for policy @JessePeltan vs @isaiah_p_taylor on new gen Phil Harris for T&D @tylerhnorris for DC

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    top picks include @JigarShahDC @tylerhnorris obvi vaclav smil is the OG hard part will be finding someone more neutral on all sources of generation - people tend to lean pro nukes or pro renewables. grid would also be an awesome topic - meredith angwin is excellent!

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    There are a lot of recommendations in your comments, so I'd offer this useful distinction from Michael Cembalast at JPM and urge you to look for a good Analyst (perhaps Michael himself, or Julien Dumoulin-Smith, or Vaclav Smil, if you can bag him). There are two kinds of

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    Tyler Cowen frequently discusses Vaclav Smil books and long-form intellectual podcasts on civilizational progress.

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    Bill Gates

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    Bill Gates is a prominent intellectual consumer of Vaclav Smil who calls his books mandatory reading for understanding energy.

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    Economics professor and author

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    Alex Tabarrok writes extensively about innovation, productivity, and the hard constraints of energy systems.

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    Clean energy expert and author

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    Ramez Naam engages in empirical debates about energy scaling and whether technology can replace fossil fuels on Smil timelines.

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    Research center

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