Get Matt Botvinick on Dwarkesh Podcast

Google DeepMind is moving fast on agentic AI, rolling out Gemini Robotics for real world robot control and reporting a Gemini 2.5 result that won a gold medal at an international programming contest, and Matt Botvinick leads the lab’s neuroscience research that underpins how such systems plan, learn, and act. Hearing him explain how brain inspired ideas should shape next steps in robotics and reasoning matters right now, while these capabilities jump from demos to deployment.

Inside Google, more AI teams have been consolidated into DeepMind and publication policies have tightened, so an on record discussion from a senior research leader about safety, interpretability, and what to ship next could influence the field in real time. Botvinick also helped advance reinforcement learning methods like V MPO and has been publicly speaking about deep meta learning in 2025, making him the rare voice who can connect cutting edge models to human cognition and practical decision making.

He has not appeared on the Dwarkesh Podcast before, which makes this a timely first and a chance to get an unfiltered perspective from inside Google DeepMind. If you want this conversation to happen while the stakes are peaking, support this nomination today.